I'm a loafer kind of guy, and all I buy is loafers. Now these are not on par with Hush Puppies, Banana Republic, Tommy Hilfiger or Ruosh. But for 2599 a pair these are a bargain. I use woodland in soles for the lack of comfort these have, yet the 2 pairs are doing good with the in-soles. For 5198 clarks are not even selling a pair, yet I got 2 of these.